Mia McDavid said... > Scott wrote: > If it's not accountable for the misery commited in it's name, then it can't > take credit for the good things commited in it's name. > > > Irritatingly, it can. That is, if I believe that God is the source of > all that is good, and that he/she loves us, then I believe that nothing > that is hateful or evil originates with God, but with the sinful desires > of people. > > Everything that is good, comes from God. Everything that is evil, comes > from our wills opposing God. > > You want to blame "religion" for bad things done in the name of God. > No, I blame *people* for bad things done in the name of God, and I give > to God the credit for all the good things done in God's name. It's interesting to note that while many people have mentioned that the OT should not be used because many of it's concepts are no longer relevent I find it interesting that many Christians feel that large parts of the NT are equally so. If good stuff happens then its God's fault. But if bad stuff happens then that's people's fault. Used to be that when bad stuff happened it was Satan's fault. Yet he seems to have been largely dropped out of the picture. What's the point of "renouncing Satan and all his works" if people no longer think that the bad stuff is his fault any more? > I know that couldn't be more obnoxious as a position to take in an > argument, but it does happen to be what I believe. (You said it, I didn't) Which I suppose is what this argument boils down to... No one so far on this list has shown any sign that the discussion has in any way altered their concept / belief / perception / understanding / faith / idea / adherence to whether or not anything supernatural (much less gods singular or plural) even exists. In fact a couple of people have become rather hot under the collar. So... That's some weather we're having isn't it? Baralier -- Good planning and organisation are just crutches for people who can't handle stress and caffeine. http://members.optushome.com.au/velvetspyder Costumier & Reprobate