On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Erik Dahl wrote: >David Silberstein (>) wrote: > >> "Luchia of North Leatherleaf" from Emma Bull > >I'm not sure how exactly to get there, but I would guess that "North >Leatherleaf" is "North Hollywood," Emma Bull's lands, so to speak. I see no reason to assume there is a connection just because there is the word "North" in both phrases. > I suppose holly is a kind of leathery-leafed plant? It most certainly is not. Holly leaves are smooth, shiny, and fringed with spikes. http://www.dallasplanttrials.org/Holly%20'Cardinal'.jpg http://www.dallasplanttrials.org/Holly%20'Festive'.jpg Emma was born and grew up in Torrance, CA. I am not sure if there is any way to derive Leatherleaf from Torrance (which appears to be a person's name).