> > I'd cite Issola, chapter 3 or so where Sethra says the Serioli hate the > gods for taking over the world (to the point some factions are pro-J - > Vlad and Verra have an exchange later on which might amplify this), > information somewhere that they were displaced by the Empire, and Paarfi's > allusion (in PG?) to their current near-mythical status. I'd say > "massacre" doesn't have evidence but that's not quite implied by > "annihilated". I'll substitute "ethnically cleansed" if you prefer. I've been holding on to this until I had a free evening to check the refs (which tun out to be Issola, pgs.39-40). That passage makes it clear that the Serioli were unhappy about (and actively tying to resist) their displacement. OTOH, while it mentions "battles", it doesn't say anything which, to me, would imply "massacre". "Ethnic cleansing" might or might not be appropriate, I don't think we have quite enough info. What's most interesting about that passage, however, is that the Serioli blame the gods for thei misfortunes (with evident cause), and appear to hold no huge animosity towards the mortal Dragaerans and Easterners. "In some measure, perhaps they resent [both races], though most of them recognize that we are not responsible for what has been done to us." Thus, even if they had been able to mass-produce Morganti weapons, they might have thought it immoral to use them on "innocent pawns". Of course, usual caveats about unreliable narrators apply. This is Brust's version of Vlad's version of Sethra's version. Sethra is one of the more reliable narrators we have, but Serioli could well constitute a "blind spot" for her for all we know. And the other two in the chain are notoriously unreliable :-) Alexx Alexx Kay Opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily those of my employers alexx at world.std.com http://world.std.com/~alexx "The only people not changed by life are those who are unaware of it in the first place." -- J. Michael Straczynski