Ruhlen, Rachel Louise (UMC-Student) writes: Interesting how many people take pride in being arrogant stubborn bastards. On this list, in Dragaera, and all around me. As my dad would say, "Arrogance is holding your dick with four fingers. Pretentiousness is pissing on three of them." I don't have a point, just making an observation. I'm sure someone else can come up with a point. I guess the point would be, it's OK to be arrogant, as long as you can back it up. Well, and as long as you don't become tiresome. You can't hold your dick all day, after all. rone -- "Alan Alda's all we are." - Kurt Cobain