Steve Simmons wondered aloud to the group: > In the process, she took a motherless >Easterner with ownership of an ongoing business and turned him into >a thief, a thug, and a cold-blooded multiple murderer. Is it not that Kiera expressed regret that Vlad wanted to get into the beating-people-up business, but got him the gig anyway? Beyond getting him the job at the gambler's (wozname), she didn't get him offered "work", and he took his territory himself, though she helped him defend it. Vlad made himself a force in the Jhereg; for what Sethra has used him for, it would have made no difference whether he was a bouncer in a shereba bar or the don of South Adrilankha. In fact, from Vlad's earliest memories, Kiera's been nice to him, as you would be nice to a child, and then nice to a young adult, as you might be to someone who reminds you of someone you used to be friends with a long time ago. Off the top of my head, I can't remember where Sethra said she was grooming Vlad. Did she say she was grooming him for something specific, or was she just grooming him? There is, I think, a difference between using someone, and using someone who is a friend and protege. It is in the job descriptions of the latter to help their friends and mentors, and the aid is not unilateral. -- "Chary is the Alpha and the Omega. He is the walrus (koo-koo-kachoo). He walks down stairs alone or in pairs and makes a slinkety sound. He knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men. He knows when you are sleeping; he knows when you're awake. He's Batman. He'll be back."--Jerry Franke mailto:Dr.Elmo at whiterose.org http://www.whiterose.org/dr.elmo/blog/