So I went to see the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra last night, looked enough like a starving student to be given a free ticket, looked at the program, and saw that as a young man Brahms had a striking noble's point: Not a great image of the photo: http://www.medscape.com/content/2000/00/40/59/405955/art-ch1181.02.marg.fig1.jpg A bit older, painted from the photo?: http://www.fuguemasters.com/brahmsyoung.jpg etc: http://web02.hnh.com/composerpaintings/testcomposer.asp?composername=Brahms - Philip