Dragaera

Hungarian Comrades

David Silberstein davids at kithrup.com
Wed Oct 22 15:24:17 PDT 2003

Yet another thing I noticed:

On the page:

  http://world.std.com/~mam/Cracks-and-Shards/languages.html#Fenarian

you mention Noish-pa's use of the word "elvtarsok", and wonder if
perhaps Brust is 'doing something with the first syllable's
resemblance to "elves"'

Well, I am nearly certain that the word is the plural of 
"elvtárs", which according to two different online
Hungarian-English dictionaries, means "comrade".

 http://dict.sztaki.hu/dict_search.php?O=ENG&L=HUN:ENG:EngHunDict&W=elvt%E1rs

 http://consulting.medios.fi/dictionary/?language=hu&search=elvtars&allow=true

According to an online Hungarian grammar:


   The category number is realised as singular and plural. There are
   two plural suffixes. The suffix -k is preceded by an epenthetic
   vowel after a consonant final stem  (Olsson, 1992).

                     SINGULAR      PLURAL
   university        egyetem       egyetemek
   student           diák          diákok


Which indicates that the plural would be "elvtársok".

And of course, it also accords with Vlad's approximations of "Friends? 
Associates?" 

So, anyway, I nearly think he was trying to tie in to Kelly being a
specifically Marxist-type revolutionary, rather than just a rebel.

The coincidence of sounds in "elf" and "elvtar" is probably nothing
more than that.  Noish-pa might not know the Dragaeran because it's
not a common word or concept.