Interesting theory. On the other hand, I always thought that the Cycle was some sort of Cosmic Engine created by the gods, and now binding them, that is instrumental in keeping the J out of D(odge)ragaera... On Nov 19, 2003, at 2:52 PM, Philip Hart wrote: > > > On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Jose Marquez wrote: > >> Chris Olson - SunPS wrote: >> >>> Which came first, the Cycle or the Gods? What about the Empire? >>> >>> >> I suspect the gods came first, unless the Cycle included the other 14 >> tribes and could drop them from its face as they disappeared. But >> given >> that the Cycle is a representation of who is in charge of the Empire, >> and the Empire didn't exist until after some of the gods rebelled, I >> think it's safe to assume that they came first. > > > Order likely: the physical 17-Cycle (uebergodly, fabric of reality > thingee) > the J (nasty physicists/biologists) > Serioli evolve on Dragaera > Easterners on Dragaera > J on Dragaera (lots of suicidal physicist J, happy bio J) > n>17 sorts of Dragaerans > trip-oops-boom-chuckle > Gods > m>17 (<n?) tribes of Dragaaerans > 17 Houses >