In a message dated 11/19/2003 10:34:56 PM US Mountain Standard Time, davids at kithrup.com writes: I see no reference to any term even vaguely resembling "vishivit", and looking under the topic of "Elves", nothing to indicate there is even such a concept for elves. It doesn't sound like a term Tolkien would have coined for either Sindarin or Quenya. It sounds vaguely like something from perhaps the Black Speech created by Sauron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<<< Tolkien based his Elvish languages on Finnish, whereas "vishivit" sounds more Slavic--could perhaps be from one of those obscure Central Asian dialects believed to be the basis of the Black Speech. I have a friend in Moscow of Russian-Caucasian origin, and she swears the first time she heard the Black Speech in the first film, it sound like something her grandmother would say. Her grandmother's dialect is so obscure I couldn't find it even in The Rosetta Project--possibly because she did not know the proper transliteration of the name into English. tal