Philip Hart writes: On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Gomi no Sensei wrote: > Politics ultimately derives as a system that attempts to solve large-scale > problems of human society, This seems insufficiently cynical or perhaps Darwinist to me. You're trying to taint the definition of politics with its current state of affairs. I think pe is trying to speak of politics in an ideal sense. I don't think this has anything to do with liberalism or conservatism, though in my view liberals are the less belief-driven lately. I do not agree with your view. rone -- "I don't even know you. What if you're a psycho?" "Would a psycho waste the last of his triple-sec?" -- RICHH