I'm watching this thread without taking part, because of time pressure; but I look forward to seeing what you come up with. #I would really like to see/make a map of Dragaera. Tolkein's map of Middle Tolk<ie>n, that is; and it rhymes with "scene", not "sign". #My reason for the "straight line" hypothesis is that we have three #triangulated distances again, so we can attempt to make a triangle, only it #won't work. The best we can do is a straight line: # #Nacine (N) to D = 70 or 80 miles # #B to N = 15 miles # #B to D = 50 miles # #No side of a triangle can be longer than the other two combined, True on a plane, and true for these travel distances. For distances on a sphere where the curvature of the surface becomes significant, not so; so be careful if you start calculating the size of the continent. Let's have some fun. F'rex, let N = the North Pole of Earth, A = the intersection of the Equator and the Greenwich Meridian (0 deg N, 0 deg W), and B = 0 deg N, 90 deg W. This is an equilateral triangle (AN=AB=BN) with all right angles. Now move B westward 90 degrees to B' at the Equator and the International Date Line (0 N, 180 W [=180 E]). AB' = 2AN = 2B'N. Now move B another 90 degrees west, to B'' at 0 N, 90 E. AB'' = 3AN = 3B''N. Heh! ("Get back to work, boss!" "Shut.... uh, thanks, Loiosh. Right you are." "I'm always right.") -- Mark A. Mandel http://cracksandshards.com a Steven Brust Dragaera fan website