I've seen a "Maybe that's Dragaera" map hanging on a wall you might call his. But then again I could be lying. bonham15 wrote: >you know the horrid thing? steven may have a map of the whole shootin' match >sitting at home on a drafting board gathering dust.. > >andy > > > > >>Okay, I spent about 5 hours a night for the last 2 weeks getting to >> >> >version > > >>.1 of the map. >> >>I spent my breaks today at work debating how to tackle documenting the >>process, and to be honest, I'm not even sure where to start. >> >>There are really two maps here: >> >>1. The map I felt the text supported at its most literal interpretation. >> >>2. The map I "saw" in my head after studying the 500 or so text reference >> >> >I > > >>pulled out of the novels concerning geography. >> >>These two maps are not as similar as you might think, and the map on my >> >> >site > > >>is more 1 than 2. >> >>Philip Hart brought up a couple of good points last night after looking >> >> >over > > >>the map. He had two main issues: >> >>1. The Empire is too narrow east to west. >> >>2. The Pepperfields should be closer to Redface. >> >>Let me address these two issues first, because, really, I agree with him >>100%. It's just that I'm not entirely certain the text does. >> >>1. How Wide is the Empire? >> >>Kana is 1500 miles from Adrilankha (POTD pg 120). So draw a circle around >>Adrilankha, and as you move Kana west, you must also move it south. >>Northport is a few hundred miles from Kana (I used 200 miles; it felt >> >> >right) > > >>and the Kanefthali River Valley is to the north (BOA pg 285-286). So as >> >> >you > > >>move Kana west and south, you move Northport west and south as well. >> >>Blackbirdriver (Ibronka's home) is approximately 945 miles southwest of >> >> >Kana > > >>(POTD pg 217). So again, you have to move Blackbirdriver south as you >> >> >move > > >>Kana to the west. >> >>Hartre is south of Blackbirdriver (POTD pg 217 again), and 500km west of >>Adrilankha (POTD pg 307). As you move Blackbirdriver to the west and >> >> >south, > > >>the angle between it and Hartre becomes more and more extreme. >> >>As much as I wanted to move Kana west, it made more sense to put it almost >>due north of Adrilankha, even though that doesn't "feel" right. >> >> >>So, if I can't move Kana west, perhaps I can "stretch" out the continent >> >> >to > > >>the east. >> >>Redface is described as being East of Dragaera City, and apparently almost >>directly east, as Khaavren and crew debate whether they should go north >>around Suntra or south around Suntra, which implies that Suntra is >>immediately between DC and RF. >> >>However, Redface is 1500 miles from Dzur Mountain (POTD pg 300). Again, >>draw the circle, if I put it east of DC, it has to be WAY east of DC. >> >>This does widen the continent quite a bit, but Deathgate Falls, in the Ash >>Mountains, which are a part of the Eastern Mountains, is almost directly >>north of Arylle (LOCB pg 83-84). >> >>It's entirely possible that the Eastern mountains are shaped like a huge >>bow, with the tips far to the west from the Eastmost extermity, but I >>couldn't find any text that supported this, and moreover the map in >>Brokedown Palace shows the mountains bowing the OPPOSITE direction... >> >>When Sethra is explaining the journey from Dzur Mountain to Deathgate >> >> >Falls > > >>(POTD pg 243-245), she points out that the last time they cross the >> >> >Eastern > > >>River (which has its source at Redface) it is only 20 miles from there to >>the foot of the Ash Mountains. Unless the Eastern River runs north for >>quite a distance, then curves back and goes south, that puts Redface and >>Deathgate Falls on similar latitudes. >> >>To further back this, Deathgate Falls is 1000 miles from the nearest sea >>(BOT pg 161), and North Pinewood Hold (just north of Redface) is also 1000 >>miles from the sea (POTD pg 312). Again, if I rotated Redface around the >>1500 miles circle, that would bring the North Pinewood Hold to the south >> >> >as > > >>well. >> >>So I kept Deathgate Falls due north, and Redface marginally to the east of >>the Falls, which makes Redface northeast (north-northeast, really) of >>Dragaera City, and really tightens up the east side of the empire. >> >>As I pointed out in an earlier email, I violated the "no sea within a 1000 >>miles of Deathgate Falls" with my western coast around Kana. It now >> >> >occurs > > >>to me that perhaps that was the sea Vlad was talking about, and Deathgate >>Falls and North Pinewood Hold are both 1000 miles from DIFFERENT bodies of >>water. >> >>But that "score of miles from the eastern river to the Ash Mountains" >> >> >quote > > >>is still a problem. >> >>I agree with Phillip so strongly, however, that I am strongly considering >>having another go at this, and moving Kana west and Redface east as far as >>possible without grossly violating the text. >> >> >> >> >>2. How far is Pepperfield from Redface. >> >>Twice the distance is declared, and both times it is 50 leagues, which >> >> >works > > >>out to 150 miles, I believe (TPG pg 154/155 and 277). >> >>However, in the same breathe the distance is measured as "2-days by the >>horsepaths" or "1-day by foot". >> >>Mica thinks he can run the distance in 16 hours, and Garland/Shaltre think >>they can make half the distance in 9 hours. >> >>The World Record for the 100km marathon is a little over 6 hours >> >> >> >(http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/records/gender=M/allrecords/discipline=100K/ > > >>index.html), which works out to 10 miles per hour, which is the same rate >>Mica would be travelling. >> >>Of course, I believe the marathon is over mostly level ground, but then >>again, Dragaerans have longer strides than Easterners (no text, but I >>believe in "Taltos" Vlad notes that Morrolan limits his strides so that >> >> >Vlad > > >>can keep up). >> >>This was one of the most frustrating passages in all the novels. It takes >>Piro two weeks to travel only 50 miles more in LOCB (Adrilankha to Dzur >>Mountain is about 200 miles). >> >>I feel very strongly the true distance is more like 50 miles, maybe even >>less, but I did not want to challenge the text except as a last resort, so >> >> >I > > >>left it at 150 miles. >> >> >> >> >> >>Bryan Newell (http://bryann.net) >>The sign out front promised me absolutely nothing. Just my kind of place. >> >> >> >> > > >