Steve Simmons writes: >Note that in double phoenix cycle, the second is the decadent. Ah, I now see the disagreeing line. Why do you think this? Despite the order of the poem, note that Dragaera has only had one double phoenix cycle (this one), and the order was clear -- Tortalik was a decadent phoenix, while Zerika is a reborn one -- literally, as Tortalik's reign cumulated with the quasi-destruction of the empire, while Zerika's began with its rebirth and restoration. -- Joshua Kronengold (mneme at io.com) "I've been teaching |\ _,,,--,,_ ,) --^--him...to live, to breathe, to walk, to sample the /,`.-'`' -, ;-;;' /\\joy on each road, and the sorrow at each turning. |,4- ) )-,_ ) /\ /-\\\I'm sorry if I kept him out too late"--Vlad Taltos '---''(_/--' (_/-'