On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Kenneth Gorelick wrote: #> This is wrong, of course -- Tortallik was the last emperor of the Tort<aal>ik #> Great Cycle of the Phoenix, Cycle of the Phoneix, Reign of the #> (decaying) Phoenix. [is there another way they distinguish the first #> and last Phoenix in a cycle where there are both?] #> #> Wheras Zereka is the first emperor of the Great Cycle of the Dragon, #> Cycle of the Phoenix, Reign of the (rising) Phoenix. #> #> #Lots of <snips> here, but basically Z4 is a REBORN PHOENIX And we really shouldn't take the Phoenix reigns that cover the change of Great Cycle, including the Interregnum, as evidence for "normal" Phoenix reigns, that is, Phoenix reigns within a single Great Cycle. -- Mark A. Mandel http://cracksandshards.com a Steven Brust Dragaera fan website