On Mar 16, 2004, at 3:23 PM, Steve Simmons wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 11:47:32AM -0600, Joshua Kronengold wrote: >> Steve Simmons writes: > >>> In fact, we have definitive proof otherwise with Tortaalik (or >>> however >>> the heck it was spelled) and Zerika. Both Phoenixes, no cycle >>> change. >> >> This is wrong, of course -- Tortallik was the last emperor of the >> Great Cycle of the Phoenix, Cycle of the Phoneix, Reign of the >> (decaying) Phoenix. [is there another way they distinguish the first >> and last Phoenix in a cycle where there are both?] > > Note that in double phoenix cycle, the second is the decadent. Are you > claiming that Tortalik as not (somewhat) decadent, and that Zerika is > perpetuating this? From what we see so far, except for a taste for > Easterners, most Dragaerans seem to regard Zerika pretty darned good. > And for all of Tortaliks degeneracy, he seemed at most eccentric to me. > > Does anyone know who Tortaliks predecessor was? If not a Phoenix, does > that mean both the ascending Phoenix and the decadent Phoenix can be > the same person? > > We already know who the next non-Phoenix emperor will be. I suppose > it's > possible that Zerika's taste for Easterners will get her in trouble. > If > not, there's going to be somebody pretty ugly who'll follow between her > and the first Dragon emperor of the next Cycle. > > The empress before T was an Athyra, Cherova the Third.