umm so what you are telling us is that you are ok with being the guy in line to see Revenge of the Sith who tells a 7 year old that Aniken is Darth Vader and that his son in gonna be Luke Skywalker. I don't think that the fact that I have known a spoiler for 10 years makes it any less a spoiler for the audience yet to read the various pieces out there. Heck at this point I'd think it's safe to assume that there were children being born when Orca was released that may, in 6 years or so, get to that book. I think it'd be nice for us to leave them the magic that we all came to on our own. Or one more view on it - Had someone spoiled the Hobbit or the Lord of the Rings for you before you read them? Did you know Gandalf would die, or that he'd get better? I didn't and I am damn thankful that there was not, when I first read those books, (books that were 30 years old at that point) someone at my side, or in my e-mail telling me about pivotal plot points. Just my views, Rion -----Original Message----- From: dragaera-bounces at dragaera.info [mailto:dragaera-bounces at dragaera.info]On Behalf Of Charles Sumner Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:16 AM To: dragaera at dragaera.info Subject: The Orca Spoiler - Time to let it go? (was Re: Proof Mario is Alive?...) At 11:35 AM 12/5/2005 -0500, you wrote: >>>[Spoiler] that indicate she believes Mario is still current and active > >>Shouldn't we "spoiler" these bits? I don't think everyone on the list has >>read all of the books. > >Isn't the mailing list the final stage of total Brust addiction? How can >you have considered getting on this list until you have read all of the >books and are impatiently waiting for the next? Next month will be the 10th anniversary of the release of Orca and I think it might be time to let that particular spoiler go. The Issola spoiler is 4 years old this month (3 years if you want to count from the paperback publication) so I don't mind hanging on to that one, for now. Yes, I do know that there are some people on this list who haven't read all of the books, but I still think it's a bit silly for us to still be using a spoiler-warning for a book that's 10 years old on a list designed to discuss these books. If this was a general-purpose, SF mailing-list, then sure. But the Orca spoiler is central to many of the discussion on this list, as I suspect the Issola spoiler will be when Dzur comes out. Can we put something in the sign-up email that says something to the effect of, this mailing is for the discussion of Steven Brust's Dragaera novels, be warned that you might see spoilers if you haven't read them all yet. Charley Sumner An open mind is one thing, letting geese run around in there is completely different.