How will House Phoenix arise from the ashes?

Davdi Silverrock davdisil at gmail.com
Thu Dec 15 16:21:16 PST 2005

On 12/15/05, Philip Hart <philiph at slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, Davdi Silverrock wrote:
> > I am inclined to doubt that there are such examples.  If someone is a
> > full member of the House, then their genes should indicate that, and
> > they ought not be expelled - if their behavior violates civil norms,
> > then there ought to be civil punishments.  It's hard to imagine
> > behavior that violates House norms, yet not civil norms.
> Uhh, a cowardly Dzur (result of incurable brain damage received in battle,
> or in falling down the stairs) can't be brought up on civil charges,
> but is clearly unable to remain in the House.

Perhaps a journey to the Enchantress of Dzur Mountain might help
("Could you give me some courage?").

I suspect that any *really* cowardly Dzur would either be killed by a
relative (to prevent the shame from becoming known), or (be encouraged
to) commit suicide.

> A treasonous Lyorn may be executed without trial, effectively an
> expulsion.

Actually, effectively a civil punishment.

Although I don't think it would generally be "without trial" (Aerich
claimed that he killed Shaltre in "self-defense").

> Demanding Kragar be both a crossbreed (unsuspected by Vlad) _and_
> practically invisible is too much.

How so?  Especially if the latter is a hint to the former?

> Of course a purebreed could be missing an essential gene through mutation.
> Incidentally, what about Whozzit the Issolan Jhereg Vlag threatens?
> Is he a hybrid?  Or just an Issola with an uncivil tongue?

He was a Jhereg.  A *courteous* (as in "courtier") Jhereg, but
nevertheless a Jhereg.
But all Jhereg are hybrids, as I keep having to emphasize.