On 12/15/05, Philip Hart <philiph at slac.stanford.edu> wrote: > > > On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, Davdi Silverrock wrote: > > > I am inclined to doubt that there are such examples. If someone is a > > full member of the House, then their genes should indicate that, and > > they ought not be expelled - if their behavior violates civil norms, > > then there ought to be civil punishments. It's hard to imagine > > behavior that violates House norms, yet not civil norms. > > > Uhh, a cowardly Dzur (result of incurable brain damage received in battle, > or in falling down the stairs) can't be brought up on civil charges, > but is clearly unable to remain in the House. Perhaps a journey to the Enchantress of Dzur Mountain might help ("Could you give me some courage?"). I suspect that any *really* cowardly Dzur would either be killed by a relative (to prevent the shame from becoming known), or (be encouraged to) commit suicide. > A treasonous Lyorn may be executed without trial, effectively an > expulsion. Actually, effectively a civil punishment. Although I don't think it would generally be "without trial" (Aerich claimed that he killed Shaltre in "self-defense"). > Demanding Kragar be both a crossbreed (unsuspected by Vlad) _and_ > practically invisible is too much. How so? Especially if the latter is a hint to the former? > > Of course a purebreed could be missing an essential gene through mutation. > > > Incidentally, what about Whozzit the Issolan Jhereg Vlag threatens? > Is he a hybrid? Or just an Issola with an uncivil tongue? > He was a Jhereg. A *courteous* (as in "courtier") Jhereg, but nevertheless a Jhereg. But all Jhereg are hybrids, as I keep having to emphasize.