Gaertk at aol.com 12/16/05 02:47 PM To Jon_Lincicum at stream.com cc Subject Re: How will House Phoenix arise from the ashes? Jon_Lincicum at stream.com writes: >>"Martin Wohlert" <martin_wohlert at hotmail.com> >> >>>Jon_Lincicum at stream.com wrote: >>>>To: Philip Hart <philiph at slac.stanford.edu> >>>> >I'll bet a kopek that Dragaerans can buy their way into the Orca. >>>> >>>>Possible. But I'd also bet that a) Easterners aren't welcome, b) >>>>Crossbreeds aren't welcome, c) It's whole orders of magnitude more >>>>expensive than for the Jhereg. >>>> >>> >>>I'd say it's the other way around, as the Jhereg is part of the nobility. >> >>And the Orca aren't? > >Orca have titles, but they aren't connected to land (see Vlad's description of a clerical error in _Orca_). Jhereg titles >are (see Vlad talking to Paresh in _Teckla_). Generalizing from one example doesn't always work. SOME Orca titles are empty. Doubtless many Jhereg titles are empty. (I seem to remember that "Lostguard Cleft" (Cawti's title) is imaginary, but I don't know if this is affirmatively stated in the texts, or just implied.) But we know that many Orca DO, in fact, have land. Reega, Vonnith, Endra, Fyres, etc By and large, the sentiment of the books is that the Jhereg are the lowest of the low when it comes to the "noble" classes. Land ownership or not, their status is definitely rock-bottom (saving the Teckla. And Easterners. And Serioli (who apparently feel superior to everyone else). Majikjon