In a message dated 1/4/2006 4:42:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, howard at brazee.net writes: And once identified, when and how did they start honing him? IMO: In My Opinion When: Since Dolivar came to their attention and then died. Or could have been even before Dolivar. How: Having Dolivar be reincarnated into each of the different houses. I think Teckla would be after Dolivar to put fear into him. When done with the 17 houses--Easterner. Dragon Teckla ... Dzur Tiassa Easterner No proof...just my wild speculation that no one else seems to believe in. Steve will show you one day! Or maybe not.