On 18 Aug 2002, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: #I don't think we're actually disagreeing (yet; but there's hope). #Thought is the conscious mental manipulation of symbols to achieve a #desired result. It doesn't have to be successful, but you do have to #know what you're doing. OK. Now, when I visualize placing THIS object THERE, etc., I am certainly performing a conscious mental manipulation. Am I using symbols, in your view? -- Mark A. Mandel