-----Original Message----- From: Casey Rousseau [mailto:casey at trinityhartford.org] John Klein wrote: > @> faith and pierced themselves with many pains." > > For some reason, I keep imagining nose rings here. >A lust for money for vanity's sake could certainly be manifested by nose rings :) Think bull-ring style. :) Somebody did a study a while back that says that with LOTS of civilisations, body piercing became extremely popular just before they collapsed. Which is kind of scary when I walk down the street. Mark