John Klein wrote: > There's a scene in Phoenix where Verra tells Vlad that the ideas of the > revolutionaries come from writings that have been in vaults since those > who originally discovered the world arrived. She specifically says that > she is not talking about the Jenoine. Given that said revolutionaries seem > to be working from examples in our own culture... On the other hand, Steve could be implying that the similar ideas from our own culture are self-evident enough that humanoids from some other place and time could be expected to have come up with them.