Ike Porter <ike at manor.org> writes: > They do help you, yes, and if that's all the original question was > asking I apologise for rambling on :) > > Poker is a game of limited information. You can be holding the the > best possible hand and get bullied or bluffed out of a pot. Or you > can be holding absolute crap and force someone out. I guess what I > was trying to say is that being a successful player is about a lot > more than just the odds of a certain draw or pot odds...knowing the > odds is only a start to the skills you need. And there's a prime example. If you're actually holding the *best possible* hand -- that is, you know the odds of any other player having a better hand are *zero* -- then knowing the odds certainly will influence how you play your hand! I guess I can believe that people *have* been bluffed or bullied while holding the best possible hand -- but I have a hard time believing in such stupidity. -- David Dyer-Bennet, <mailto:dd-b at dd-b.net>, <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/> RKBA: <http://noguns-nomoney.com> <http://www.dd-b.net/carry/> Photos: <dd-b.lighthunters.net> Snapshots: <www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/> Dragaera/Steven Brust: <http://dragaera.info/>