----- Original Message ----- From: <FRIEDA2133 at aol.com> To: <dragaera at dragaera.info> Cc: <mam at TheWorld.com> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:49 PM Subject: RE: Joining a house, or changing houses > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 FRIEDA2133 at aol.com wrote: > > #Could Sethra of the e'Lanya Dragon line? > > On Thursday, 9 Sep 2004 > -- Mark A. Mandel > http://cracksandshards.com > a Steven Brust Dragaera fan website wrote > > #No. Sethra is older than the Empire. > > Hi, > > Spoiler below if you have not already read Jhereg and > Issola. Wild speculation below too. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm speculating that the e'Lanya Dragon line is older > then the Empire and older than Sethra even if no one > put the e'Lanya part after their name. > > Possible if you engage in wild speculation based on some > of Vlad's fever dreams in Athyra, Vlad's reaction to a > painting in Dragon and the word plow in Brokedown Palace > and Athyra. > > Did Verra and her friends capture only one dragon for > the Jen or did they capture several? > > What if genetic memory is one of pieces taken from that > dragon and given to the Dragaerans. > > What if Vlad's soul has the genetic memory of that dragon. > > What if Kieron the Conqueror was named after Kieron the > dragon(animal) the Jen took genes from or maybe the first > Easterner/Dragaeran from those experiments? > > What if there was a Kieron the dragon and a Drien the > dragon and a Lanya the dragon and a Marish'Chala the > dragon. > > Or maybe the first group of Easterners/Dragaeran were > Kieron, Drien, Lanya and Marish'Chala and whoever. > > And maybe Sethra is descended from the original Lanya. > > "e'Lanya blood" "grasp of tactics is without fail." > The Phoenix Guards page 131 > > Heh. > > Bye. > > Linda G. > I doubt it. It specifically says, in the Phoenix Guards (at the part where they get arrested at the inn, and they're debating whether or not to surrender, and Khaavren tells Uttrik that even Lanya was arrested), that Lanya was a person, originally Lanya e'Kieron, and her descendants were so proud of her deeds (she became Empress and did some other stuff) that they took her name. That's how it works for all the Dragon lines. It mentions in one of the Vlad novels that Baritt's descendants had begun taking the name e'Baritt because of his great achievements (there's some anachronism here - it says in Jhereg that during one of the Dragon-Jhereg wars, the e'Baritt line was almost wiped out... I guess they could have taken Baritt's name all the way back then, but surely he couldn't have had that many descendants). I don't think that the "people named after dragons" theory is going to hold up, because all the people were at different times in history. They had the last names of an earlier Dragon line, and their descendants took theirs in honor of their deeds. For future reference... Kieron the person is mentioned in most of Vlad books as one of the founders of the Empire, who helped Zerika make the Orb and conquer the lands. Lanya was already discussed above. Drien was also present at the founding of the empire, and changed his/her gender around so that Aliera can't remember what s/he was originally. (I think that's in Yendi.) Terics was mentioned somewhere, but I don't remember what he did. Marish-Chala was mentioned in the Phoenix Guards, but no specifics are given as to her deeds. All this was from memory, so please correct me if I've got a point wrong. -Rebecca